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Brief Overview

In this option you are choosing to run Bahmni with a custom concept dictionary that contains clinical terms decided by you (and your clinical terminology team).

In this option you are choosing to load Bahmni with publicly available and opensource CIEL dictionary comprising of 50K+ terms with SNOMED, ICD10, LOINC, RxNorm reference mappings, already done. The Bahmni Concept Dictionary will be loaded with CIEL data and you will use CIEL Terms to record data on the Bahmni UI.

For more details see: https://openconceptlab.org/2022/10/19/ciel-bridging-terminology-for-the-global-community/

• In this option you are choosing to load Bahmni with

For more details see: https://openconceptlab.org/2022/10/19/ciel-bridging-terminology-for-the-global-community/

• In this option you are choosing to load Bahmni with few pre-configured Bahmni custom concepts and also connecting it to a FHIR Terminology Server loaded with SNOMED CT, which will act as a real-time terminology server. You are going to use SNOMED CT terms on Bahmni UI to record clinical data.

• Whenever a SNOMED term is chosen on the UI, that term is pulled into Bahmni, and stored into the Concept Dictionary.

• So, over time, Bahmni concept dictionary starts reflecting a list of your facility commonly used clinical terms.

• For more details see this wiki page. SNOMED CT has over 300K clinical terms.

• Similar to prev column, but Bahmni concept dictionary is pre-loaded with CIEL data as the base dictionary.

• For most operations you will still be using SNOMED CT terms on the Bahmni UI for recording data (because Bahmni will be referencing a FHIR TS server for real time lookups of terms).

• few pre-configured Bahmni custom concepts and also connecting it to a FHIR Terminology Server loaded with SNOMED CT, which will act as a real-time terminology server. You are going to use SNOMED CT terms on Bahmni UI to record clinical data.

• Whenever a SNOMED term is chosen on the UI, that term is pulled into Bahmni, and stored into the Concept Dictionary.

• So, over time, Bahmni concept dictionary starts reflecting a list of your facility commonly used clinical terms.

• For more details see this wiki page. SNOMED CT has over 300K clinical terms.

• Similar to prev column, but Bahmni concept dictionary is pre-loaded with CIEL data as the base dictionary.

• For most operations you will still be using SNOMED CT terms on the Bahmni UI for recording data (because Bahmni will be referencing a FHIR TS server for real time lookups of terms).

How do I browse this dictionary online?

Browse the concept dictionary on our demo server here: demo.mybahmni.org (superman/Admin123)

• Browse on OCL here.

• Browse on Bahmni Lite demo server here (OpenMRS Admin->Dictionary).

• Browse on Snowstorm (choose International Edition or your preferred edition) browser here.

• Browser on Demo Server (OpenMRS Admin → Dictionary) here.

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Which option is used most frequently in the real world with Bahmni?

Majority of the real world deployments of Bahmni (until v0.93) before Bahmni Lite have used a Custom Dictionary.

Since Bahmni Lite v1.0 release in June2023, new adopters have started evaluating / adopting CIEL dictionary. CIEL is being used with OpenMRS already in many real world settings.

SNOMED CT is used widely in many EHRs across the world. But in With Bahmni, since this is a recent development, we don’t yet have any known real-world deployment of Bahmni-SNOMED TS directly.

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Which configuration of Bahmni comes out-of-the-box with this option?

default-config (currently default for Bahmni-Standard for Hospitals)

clinic-config (with Bahmni Lite)

snomed-default-config (with Bahmni Lite & SNOMED configuration)

snomed-clinic-config(with Bahmni Lite and SNOMED Configuration). Has some known issues, see this link.

How do I report a term that should be present in standard dictionary but it somehow isn’t?

You can add it yourself.

Drop an email to Dr. Andrew Kanter from CIEL

Inform SNOMED international, or check if your country has already added it in the country specific extensions.

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Can I use OCL (Open Concept Lab) to manage terms?

Yes

Yes. Bahmni ships the CIEL zip file that is released via OCL.

No, the SNOMED-TS (terminology server) acts as the TS here. In this configuration OCL is not involved.

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While recording Diagnosis in Bahmni what terms will I see on the UI?

Your custom terms

CIEL terms or any custom terms added by you to the Concept Dictionary.

• SNOMED terms under Clinical Findings (404684003).

• Can be configured via global.properties.

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For recording Chief Complaints in Bahmni what terms will I see?

Your custom terms

CIEL terms or any custom terms added by you to the Concept Dictionary.

Search results are constrained using a SNOMED “ECL query”, specified in the form designer for Chief Complaints in the H&E form. Currently configured same as all Clinical Findings. See documentation.

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For recording Drugs in Bahmni what terms will I see?

• Your custom terms as loaded in Drug Concepts.

• You can also use initialiser module to load drugs.

• CIEL terms or any custom terms added by you to the Drug Concepts.

• You can use initialiser module to load drugs via csv. See example.

• Custom terms added in Drug Concepts (but should have SNOMED CT reference mappings for CDSS features to work)

• You can use initializer module to load drugs via csv. See example.

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What terms can I use in the Form Designer for Questions/Answers?

Your custom terms can be used.

Any CIEL dictionary or custom added term can be used.

• Any custom term directly added into Concept Dictionary can be used.

• SNOMED TS terms can be used as Answers (by specifying a ValueSet url or ECL urls). See documentation.

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Can I use my own custom terms along with this option?

Yes.

Yes, but recommend checking with Dr. Andrew Kanter, who maintains CIEL dictionary if the term can be added to standard CIEL distribution.

• For questions/answers in Forms, one can directly add them into Concept Dictionary.

• Many countries publish a national Edition of SNOMED CT with customised content. Consider evaluating those for suitability before adding custom terms.

• Adding your own terms to existing concepts or creating new concepts is possible by creating a SNOMED CT extension. See SNOMED CT artifacts.

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How are conflicts in Concept Names handled (when a custom concept is also present)?

You cannot add two concepts with the same FSN.

You cannot add two concepts with the same FSN.

• You cannot add two concepts with the same FSN.

• While copying a concept from SNOMED TS into Bahmni, the following concept resolution logic is applied: https://github.com/Bahmni/openmrs-module-snomed#concept-resolution

• If the FSN already exists in Bahmni, then during copying from SNOMED TS, the synonyms are added to existing concept (but FSN is untouched).

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Will I be able to record data in SNOMED CT?

If you define reference mappings for a term in SNOMED CT, you should be able to create reports in SNOMED CT (but not see anything in SNOMED CT on screen).

CIEL dictionary has defined SNOMED reference maps for many terms, and you should be able to create an SQL report based on that data. On screen, you would still see CIEL terms.

• Yes, on screen you are directly seeing SNOMED CT data.

• Ability to create out-of-box reports quickly are available. See this documentation.

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Will I be able to use Bahmni’s custom CDSS integration over FHIR?

(More details on CDSS feature see this documentation and video)

• Yes, if you define SNOMED CT reference maps, then you should be able to use the CDSS features in Bahmni (SAME-AS mapping is needed).

• Note, even drugs : Drugs will need SNOMED SAME-AS mappings.

• Gurpreet Luthra Note: This will only work if the a FHIR TS is included with SNOMED CT loaded . The same is true for the other features we have developedsince the CDSS service looks up the TS to traverse hierarchies to execute the rules.

• Yes, since CIEL has already defined SNOMED reference maps for many terms (SAME-AS mapping is needed).

• Note, even drugs : Drugs will need SNOMED SNOMED SAME-AS mappings.

• Gurpreet Luthra Note: This will only work if the a FHIR TS is included with SNOMED CT loaded . The same is true for the other features we have developedsince the CDSS service looks up the TS to traverse hierarchies to execute the rules.

• Yes.

• Note, even drugs : Drugs will need SNOMED SAME-AS mappings.

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Will I be able to use Bahmni ICD10 reporting feature?

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Yes

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Will be be able to use Hierarchical reporting to aggregate specific diseases into a parent group easily?

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Yes. Ability to create out-of-box reports quickly are available. See this documentation.

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Can I use this option in an offline / on-premise installation of Bahmni?

Yes

Yes

Yes - with Snowstorm LITE (available with Bahmni pre-packaged in docker compose)

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Is there any performance impact?

No,as data is locally stored in Bahmni.

No, as data is locally stored in Bahmni.

• If the system is referencing Snowstorm on a server which is geographically far, then real-time look-ups will have latency. Using snowstorm LITE locally is recommended in such a case.

• No performance impact noticed in our testing.

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Migrate to another terminology set?

Will require migration effort if shifting to CIEL or SNOMED CT.

Will require significant migration effort if shifting to SNOMED CT.

Shifting to a different terminology system will require significant migration effort.

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Is there a docker-compose option available that packages this set out-of-the-box for me to try?

Yes. bahmni-standard.

Yes. bahmni-lite

Yes. See snomed-bahmni-docker repository (with snomed-default-config configuration)

Yes. See snomed-bahmni-docker repository (with snomed-clinic-config configuration)

If I use OpenELIS (Lab), or Odoo, or DCM4chee, will this option work?

Yes.

Yes

Not Recommended. Development & Testing required.

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Can i use the Patient FHIR Export feature?

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Yes

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What competency is expected of the clinicians who will be recording this data?

They can use the same terms they currently use on Paper / hospital.

Will need to be familiar with CIEL terms (50k).

Will need to be familiar with SNOMED terms and ontology (300K terms).

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Is this option FREE or PAID or OpenSource?

Free and Opensource

Free and OpensourceOpensource. See this page.

1. Use of SNOMED CT dictionary is licensed to countries / facilities. It is not free.

2. For NGO/Non-Profit use, one can easily apply and usually get a free license. See this page.

3. In cases where a country has licensed SNOMED CT, like India, every facility can use it for free after applying for it. (e.g link for India)

4. All SNOMED software systems like snowstorm-lite, CDSS, snolytical, etc are opensource.

5. There are free sets also available that can be used like the IPS (International Patient Summary), etc. See this page.

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How often does this option get updated with new terms?

You decide.

Typically once every few months? See this page.See Releases page on SNOMED.See this page.

See Releases page on SNOMED.

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Are other languages supported besides English?

Since this is your custom dictionary, you will need to enter & manage the translations.

Yes, other languages are also included in CIEL. Link?

Yes, other languages are also included in SNOMED TS, typically in country extensions. SNOMED CT is a multinational, multilingual terminology. It has a built-in framework to manage different languages and dialects. Link?

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What advantages will I get with this option?

You get full control with the terms you see on the screen, but you need to manage all the master data and reference maps yourself, which is tedious, and usually requires strong clinical terminology expertise.

• CIEL team (and Dr. Andrew Kanter) have done the hard work of using the most commonly required clinical terms, and their reference maps to SNOMED, ICD, LOINC, etc.

• You can still add custom terms, questions – but recommended not to do so.

• The team behind CIEL is small, questions – but recommended not to do soso responsiveness to questions will likely be very fast (and so could adoption of new terms).

• Massive list of terms (with ontology/hierarchy based connections)

• Great for facilities who understand SNOMED and want to use SNOMED based interface terms.

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What possible disadvantages I should consider with this option?

Tedious / error prone to use, or introduce terms later in the process.

Requires strong terminology expertise.

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to use, or introduce terms later in the process.

Requires strong terminology expertise.

• The CIEL dictionary is centrally managed and only “one version” exists. There aren’t any country/region specific versions of CIEL dictionary currently. Therefore, if some term or usage is not globally accepted, it may not make it into the CIEL dictionary. But technically nothing stops CIEL from having country specific extensions in the future (which can also be managed in OCL).

• Since the list of terms on screen for a search term can be large (e.g Search for Asthma gives 300+ terms). This can result in clinicians recording data in different levels of granularity, or make recording of data slow for some users due to indecision.

• Additional services (e.g Snowstorm LITE) need to be installed/managed over time.

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• Duplicates between CEIL and SNOMED CT might need to be monitored.

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